In remedying one problem, we shouldn't ignore signs we're creating another
David Rodenhiser
The Daily News
Wind energy will be an important part of Nova Scotia's cleaner, greener future. But in the rush to set up giant wind-powered turbines to fight global warming, we shouldn't discount growing evidence that they can significantly harm the health of their neighbours if built too close to homes.
Premier Rodney MacDonald's government and Nova Scotia Power are eager to show themselves taking action to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. They've embarked on an aggressive campaign to see the number of turbines operating in the province grow from 40 to more than 250 by 2013.
Their public-relations goals don't justify giving short shrift to the potential health hazards of what's being called "wind turbine syndrome."
Theories about what's causing the condition - including low-frequency vibrations and sound too low for humans to hear called infrasound - are tough to wrap your head around. That plays into the hands of governments and businesses that want to ignore the issue.
After all, if you can't hear a sound, how can it hurt you?
Well, you can't see ultraviolet light, and it can hurt you plenty.
Daniel d'Entremont, his wife Carolyn and six children know the terrifying truth of living next to a wind farm. They started experiencing problems in early 2005 after Atlantic Wind Power installed 17 massive turbines near their home in Lower West Pubnico. The closest tower is little more than 300 metres from their home; all 17 are within 1.6 kilometres.
"Immediately, we noticed ringing in the ears," d'Entremont said. "The children began acting differently. Their behaviour changed. They weren't doing well in school. Things like that. My wife developed high blood pressure."
Over time, it got worse. Carolyn began experiencing blurred vision. One adult son would go blind in one eye or the other for a few minutes at a time. It would clear up, then after a day or two it would happen again. Some mornings when getting out of bed, the same son would have trouble convincing his legs to move.
"I get this pulsating feeling in my chest - a feeling I don't like, but I can't get rid of," d'Entremont said. "I can't shake it off, unless I get away from the turbines."
In February 2006, the d'Entremonts moved to Carolyn's parents' home 30 minutes away. Their problems resolved, some quickly, some more gradually, although Carolyn's blurred vision hasn't completely cleared yet.
The d'Entremonts never wanted to leave their house, which they built in 1982. But d'Entremont, a former fisherman who now works part-time at Wal-Mart, said they can't live there anymore. They haven't found anyone willing to buy it.
"Nobody in his right mind will move here," he said.
Nina Pierpont - the pediatrician, brain specialist and evolutionary biologist who named wind-turbine syndrome - has studied the d'Entremont family's case. She said the d'Entremonts are victims of an industry that tries to discredit or diminish complaints about noise, infrasound and health problems.
"The current approach of the wind industry is to deny that the problems exist and to do nothing about them," Pierpont said.
The industry relies on acoustics consultants, who base their conclusions on engineering principles, as opposed to audiologists and physicians who consider the effects of sound and vibration on the human body.
Pierpont said wind turbine syndrome is very real, and can cause a host of problems including insomnia, headaches, dizziness, unsteadiness, nausea, exhaustion, anxiety, anger, irritability, depression, memory loss, eye problems, tinnitus and problems with concentration and learning.
There may not be just one sole cause of the syndrome. It affects some people, but not others. It may have to with the configuration of individual homes, or the geology beneath them, Pierpont said.
"It's unclear whether it's infrasound or the vibration getting transmitted through rock... Certain people, houses, geological structures, whatever it is causes there to be particularly bothersome forms of noise or vibrations."
Receptors in our extremities that sense vibration and the stretching of muscles respond to inaudible infrasound. Those receptors are tied in neurologically with our sense of equilibrium. Equilibrium can impact balance and vision. Additionally, infrasound can also stimulate the production of the stress hormone cortisol, which can cause high blood pressure.
Pierpont, who practises in rural New York about 30 kilometres from the Quebec border, is one of a number of doctors researching health problems caused by wind turbines. She intends to publish her study in six months and establish a clinical definition of wind turbine syndrome.
Pierpont recommends turbines be erected at least two kilometres away from the nearest home. In Nova Scotia, only four municipalities have bylaws governing turbine setbacks. The common standard is just 500 metres. That's less than the distance from Halifax City Hall to Spring Garden Road.
Tuesday, provincial Energy Minister Bill Dooks announced his department will help the Union of Nova Scotia Municipalities hire a consultant to develop best-practice guidelines for wind-turbine bylaws.
"We're very serious about putting towers in the right place," Dooks said. "We want to make people who live in their communities comfortable about this."
It's crucial that they fully consider the human health impacts, but I'm not optimistic. The Energy Department's website includes no discussion of health concerns and places great faith in the wind energy industry. In fact, for Nova Scotians seeking more information, it links to industry websites.
One department official I spoke with Tuesday claimed infrasound fears have been disproved, and referred me to industry research conducted by engineering consultants.
Environmentalists don't seem worried about wind-turbine syndrome, either. The need to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions has created an atmosphere where it's tantamount to sacrilege to raise concerns about turbines. Complaints are dismissed as NIMBYism.
Remember, though, governments and business rejected the science of climate change for decades, producing their own reports in rebuttal. We're seeing the same reaction on a smaller scale to warnings that wind turbines are injuring their neighbours.
Have we learned nothing? In trying to remedy one problem, we shouldn't ignore signs we're creating another.
David Rodenhiser thinks the energy minister should move his family into Daniel d'Entremont's house for a year, then consider policy.
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http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=64760&sc=93
51 comments:
David Rodenhiser deserves an award for writing what no other journalist in this province would about wind turbines. Thank god the Halifax Daily News.
David Rodenheiser should be stripped of his right as a journalist for taking, as most publications in this province do, a one sided approach. In fact I would be willing to bet that he wrote this article with Lisa sitting right beside him. The Daily News is a trash paper anyways and cannot be taken seriously, like this blog for instance.
anonymous #2 has brain damage from sitting to close to a fan!
....somebody please print out david's article and send it to every politician /developer with green dollar $$$igns in their eyes.
better still why not require them to live in the d'entrement house for a few months as part of their development agreement.
Great piece of pre-Google journalism by Dave. Looks like he swallowed the anti-wind story whole and coughed it up in print.
If he had spent a few minutes using a search engine he could have read the truth. The Danish government recomends an infrasound level of 85db in workplaces and homes. An American government search of the scientific and medical literature finds no perception of infrasound below 110 db. Acoustic scietists agree that infrasound has no effect below the level of perception. The measured infrasound level at Pubnico is 88-89 db at 300 meters, declining at greater distance.
Mr. Rodenheiser appears to have done little reasearch: but you can.
John McManus
I think this story is nothing but BANANA wind turbine syndrome. I think Lisa was sitting next to David when this story was written. blah blah blah.
I wish you wind farm fans would set up your own blog to blast your hot air. You have nothing to contribute here.
It's funny how this blog is designed to be a place where enemies of wind farms can congregate to talk about how great their ideas are and expect that they will do this without any opposition. Well the truth is your ideas are not great and the wind farm advocates will stay here until you realize that. Go ahead and start another blog as we will invade that one as well. And I am not a beneficiary from the wind industry, I am just tired of all this crap that is being published about how bad wind farms are for you. If we took your approcah on life than everything in this world would be bad for you. If we took yoru outlook than we should start dismantling every factory and city. Where are you going to get your computer and green tea now?
Hey John: Your new window must be fogging up a bit, or maybe Charles has shirt buttoned too tight. You're still seeing things through a haze of $$$$'s.
John is stating the truth, I searched and he is correct. If your having trouble finding google, the url is www.google.com. Go eat another banana you anonymous person.
What is this anonymous business about?It is my understanding that when someone makes a statement, that they stand behind their words and sign their name!
John is stating the truth, I searched and he is correct. If your having trouble finding google, the url is www.google.com. Go eat another banana you anonymous person. There I left my name. Better?
I would encourage people to leave their name when commenting. But would prefer if they leave their real name!!
Anyone interested in doing some research here is the list of abstracts from a wind turbine noise conference held in France last week:
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/
wp-content/uploads/wtn2007_abstracts.pdf
The address was too long to post in one line here. You will have to delete the line I addded to get into this format.
Where are the facts in the above attached website Lisa?
You have posted a link whereby a bunch of very short statements, some from Doctors, are making proclamations based on old data that have been used and resused at other sites that you have posted on this very blog. A statement by someone proclaiming that they are a professional and that what they are saying is true and that anyone avoiding their facts is not intelligent is not enough to make a case for your movement. Where are the facts that say that if 10 - 20 people living within 500M of a wind farm will with the likely probability of X% develop a case of A,B,C,or D. I use letters because there is nothing like that from an accepted and internationally or even nationally recognized body of medical and scientific professionals. You continue to post misguided information on this blog, which I am sure you are also talking about in Pugwash where you continue to fill peoples heads with lies and get people upset, who wouldn't had they been given the real facts.
All this doesn't matter because I am sure this movement wil be taking on a different light once Charles gets the go ahead to put his project up.
I am not a beneficiary from this project!
The boys in the newly decorated green room in Gov. house don't want the rural folks in the green backwoods to know about the effects of very low frequency sound cause they are more concerned about keeping the green bucks flowing from the voters in the city.(maybe thats why the \Dept. of Health and Dept. of Environmemt havn't come to the rescue?)
The wind industry hires engineers and manipulates the data to pull the wool over the heads of those without knowledge of the health effects of unnaturally generated infrasound. In fact most in the government would have a hard time understanding the physics/physiology/etc.involved.
---those of you in the google frame of reference can find some unclassified military experiments using such if you really wanted to??
In fact they (the wind industry/government)have been known to hire people like secret agent John mcManus and his clones to inform you one week that the sound from 27 turbines will only be the equivalent of your fridge running constantly (45 db)and then this week he says that they measured infrasound at 80-90 db in Pubnico which has fewer and smaller turbines to confuse you all???(this level seen often in industrial settings but higher more audible frequencies involved)As no one has reported hearing infrasound in Pubnico it suggests this sound was below the hearing limit of the human ear which as David's article implies ..the "out of sound out of mind " tactics works for all those trying to make a fast green buck from this technology.
So why don't some of you offer to to live in the d'Entrement house to show the world there is nothing to this?
Prove once and for all that low frequency pressure fluctuations won't make your body vibrate like a bowl of jelly.
Prove once and for all that low frequency pressure fluctuations won't make your brain throb/your eyeballs pulse/your heart go out of sync/your nerves drive you to valium/your lung muscles go wonky/your guts go wonky/your blood circulation and pressure go wonky/ETC/ETC/ETC/
Be a benificiary to this project.
...and possibly help the military devise a weapon of mass destruction?
Hi Lisa, if you are referring to me, then I must tell you rodney macdonald is my real name, I thought you may jump to conclusions in making a sort of fact of some of us not using our real name, just like you don't put much thought into much when it comes to these issues, agian you prove a point that you don't have much of a clue on anything in this feild about turbines, just assuming. hmmm, makes you think doesn't it.
The comment above Rodney's here really shows how out to lunch this movement is. What are you really ranting about. You think there is some secret movement afoot where there is nothing. Why don't you move into Mr. d'Entremonts house? Do you actually know about the facts around his house?, has he personally told you the truth and I mean all the truth around his house? Has Mr. d'Entremont ever been made an offer on his house since this mess started? and did he accept it? well the latter is obvious. What is also obvious is your dissollusion about how facts are created and presented. You may be the greatest scientist in the world with all your talk about physics and bowls of jelly, but the truth of the matter is that you cannot personally present a sound, no pun intended, scientific argument that proves that infrasonic sound can be directly related to known health defects, much like how cigarttes and carcinigens can. Go pound sand until you can do that!
...and if you really want to see the clan at province house do the step dance ask them about the health effects from the alternating 1000 volt electromagnetic fields from 27 slightly out of sync generators/broadcast towers and the mega amps/mega magnetic field created by these mega watt systems all flowing thru your community on the way to the city!
...a comment above really shows how out to lunch the anonymous presenter is .
What are you really ranting about?
...."but the truth of the matter is that you cannot personally present a sound, no pun intended, scientific argument that proves that infrasonic sound cannot be directly related to known health defects."
Wouldn't the onus be on the wind industry to prove this?
Those that make arguments of opposition are bound to prove or disprove their points of contention. You are opposing therefore you must provide the proof that will be needed to make this paradigm shift!
For those of you with the interest
type -infrasound military -
into your google search.
....just one of many-
this following item should do the trick?
(Why not send this to Rodney and his good buddy the one called John mcManus with his infrasounding fridge and his good buddy Charles "the destroyer" Desmond!)
"It has often been suggested that infrasound generators could be powerful enough to trigger nausea or diarrhea.42 Acoustic systems using infrasound could, in theory, cause a loss of muscle control or unconsciousness.43 Exposure to 16 Hz has been presumed to "make people feel nauseated and disoriented."44 Remarkable properties have been attributed to infrasound, including the capacity to "debilitate people for hours and even days," with "pulsing in their internal organs and blurred vision, both of which can lead to . . . . in rare cases, death."45 Thomas46 reported a claim in a Chinese military medical journal47 that an infrasound weapon had already been developed and tested and that the device was adjustable, to cause controllable amounts of disorientation, nausea, vomiting, and incontinence. However, the details of that work were not reported in the English literature. Bortz48 mentioned potential use by the Marine Corps of "low frequency sound waves that can knock a person out but cause no permanent damage." Annies are alleged to have already deployed "devices generating infrasound."49 Synetics Corp.50 referred to one specific type of infrasound generator and noted, "with sufficient energy, the resulting infrasonic waves can be disabling or lethal." A statement that "low frequency infrasound systems were considered for use in Somalia"51 could give readers the false impression that such weapons actually exist and are viable options for commanders to use. Military scenarios have even included the mock employment of infrasonic weapons.52
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Simple "nuisances" caused by infrasound (without "weaponization potential") were mentioned by Cabal and Roszak.53 Kuralesin54 postulated that "infrasound exposure is associated with a hypothalamic crisis with sensory/somatovegetative symptoms." One system, known as the "infrapulse-generator," was assumed to have "strong biologic impact on wellness by generating resonances in entire organs of the human body."55 The resonances were "suspected to cause increasing of pulsebeat frequency and in certain circumstances sudden nausea." No details on hypotheses for such effects were provided.
Possible Mechanisms Mediating Effects of Acoustic Nonlethal Weapon Applications
Audible Frequencies
Potential effects of high-intensity acoustic energy in the audible frequency ranges can be divided into three categories, (1) aural effects (effects on hearing, including temporary or permanent threshold shifts), (2) extra-aural effects mediated through hearing and subsequent activation of the sympathetic nervous system (e.g., increases in heart rate and blood pressure), and (3) non-hearing-related extra-aural effects (e.g., pain, vertigo, nausea, and vomiting). This review does not address aural effects in any detail. Permanent damage to hearing would probably not be acceptable in terms of policy considerations relating to the use of nonlethal weapons.
Because of the acoustical "mismatch" between air and the surface of a solid body, only a small percentage of incident acoustical energy at higher audible frequencies is absorbed. Below 1000 Hz, however, there is appreciable absorption of airborne sound by the body. In very intense sound fields, widespread stimulation of somatic mechanicoreceptors can occur.56 At very low frequencies (below 100 Hz), the body responds as a whole, and oscillations of the limbs, head, and chest may occur. Moore et al.57 suggested that effects of exposure to acoustic energy could be expected to range from "disorientation to even lethality." Noppen et al.58 speculated that exposure to music from commercial loud speakers (ranging down to 30 Hz) could have caused four cases of spontaneous pneumothorax.
...as a followup to the above referenced article(you have to read the entire article)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3912/
is_200702/ai_n18632410/pg_1
In all fairness most testing was at higher levels than what will be felt near a windfarm most of the time ,some historically quoted effects were seen as exagerated but there is not much mention about longterm lower level exposures that will be seen living near a windfarm.
Interestingly enough none of this readily available material on infrasound appears to find its way into any wind industry created and paid for research literature???
This particular article was writen for military boom-boom -we got ya!research purposes.
The military research that has been done for decades on infrasound is amazing stuff. I like the ray gun idea much better though. Just to think if they had the Ray gun for use in Fallujah several years ago to quell those rioters as opposed to shooting them.
However to the point at hand; this information albeit very credible does not in anyway shape or form solidify the argument at hand. The levels of these tests are much higher than what ever could be measured near any wind farm, however they would be short bursts. So the onus now rests with the facts around very low levels of infrasound causing known health defects. The information does not specifically address this issue and therefore your argument is still empty and this is also why you would not find this information in any wind industry publications, because it is not specifically relevant. Although keep looking as I am sure you are learning lots of interesting stuff!
from the above post....."The levels of these tests are much higher than what ever could be measured near any wind farm, however they would be short bursts."
-a combination of infrasound created by the turbine blades and natural atmospheric related or wind sound level bursts might combine to create high instantaneous levels on occasion!
from the above post....."So the onus now rests with the facts around very low levels of infrasound causing known health defects."
-the effects of long term continuos exposure to unnaturally created infrasound at all levels is not known and difficult to monitor over the longterm.the residents near a windfarm are the guinea pigs.
The government is now in the process of preparing regulations requiring chemical companies to prove that their products are not harmful rather than have the population prove they are.
the onus should be on the wind industry to do the same!
from the above post....
"this is also why you would not find this information in any wind industry publications, because it is not specifically relevant."
the tobacco/cellphone/chemical industries have been telling us the
the same for decades.legal deception is alive and thriving.
the complexity of life is beyond comprehension !
Yes and while on the subject of legal deception used by the wind industry - the wind industry rep above make reference to "the very low levels" of infrasound around a windfarm.
Yet previous to those comments another rep states that they measured infrasound at close to 90db at Puibnico.
This is half way between 0 db which is what its like now in Pugwash?? and a near death experience as noted by the military boys with their big toys.
Gentlemen-get your facts straight.
There are innocent lives watching this show!
When you watch television and the commercials come on you have to grab the remote quick because the sound is too loud. The industry says the sound is not louder, it is just compression which speeds up the sound thus making you think it is louder. That is the science and that is what the government and the wind industry harp on and on about. But who gives a flying fig about the science of the issue when the response is the same for every man, woman and child... the tv becomes annoying loud when the commercials come on, sometimes to the point where if you are on the phone you can't hear the other party until you mute the tv. We can't mute these wind turbines once they are erected. That is the fear, folks. Living with sound, however intermittent, however scientific, if the sound irritates us enough to want to shut it off, it is not good for our health and our community. We need safe sound barriers and we can't trust this government or the wind industry to provide them.
The infrasound level at Pugwash at this moment is not 0db as stated by anonymous but about 83-85 db. This ambient is always found beside the ocean. If you read the Pubnico Point reports, you will see that it was almost imposssible to separate infrasound from wind and/or ocean waves from infrasound from wind turbines. The measurements at Pubnico were 70 db at 60m., 81 db at 330 m. and 74 db at 700m. All these readings are below the threshold of perception ( approx 85 db) which is accepted as the minimum level of potential harm. This information has been presented before on this page.
Again, the facts about weapons have been presented before in this blog. For the newcomers, the info is as follows. The US military has ceased funding infrasonic weapon research: they don't hurt people enough!
I enjoyed Lisa's ( I wonder who she reall is?) implication that people who sign their comments don't use their real name. Canada 411 will find my phone number and I have given this blog my email. So far noone has contacted me. I suspect that knowing the truth could make it difficult for some wind critics to persist in the comments they have been making. And to the premier, thanks or the kind words.
Another mirth maker is the big wind conspiracy thory. As stated by your webmistress there are many companies engaged in a competiive process that will limit the profits avilable to the winning developers. She even worries that some of these competitors will be forced to bid under cost to win a contract then be unble to finance the project. Hardly sounds like some big, rich, organized cartel to me.
Great to see so many comment:
John McManus
Dear John
The ocean is calm today in Pugwash,there is no wind,its warm and sunny.
....therefore there must be no ambient infrasound according to you theory???
The wind industry edited the report your referring to on Pubinico to deceptively make the folks think the infrasound created by turbines was the same as that created by the wind and therefore harmless.
If they had wanted to measure and honestly report the sound levels of the turbines they would have used filters,computer algorithms to separate the spectrums of each.(maybe the engineeers did but the people paying for the report edited their findings to suit???)
This type of information/technology is available from the tactical military uses for infrasound detection of vehicles/airplanes/explosions/etc.
The level of perception is that which your ears can sense.
The level of harm to the physiology of your natural body functions is unknown in the longterm.
The military experiments (many decades worth)have shown that unnatural manmade infrasound can be used to cause your health to suffer.
For the newcomers to this blog -
"how much does it take to hurt you enough" a little bit every day?
MR.McManus
Why did you tell us the sound would only be as load as our fridge at 45 bd when you knew that the sound they found at Pubnico was almost 90 bd-almost twice as loud?
Do you sleep next to your fridge?
Dear anonymous:
A fridge emits 45db "A" weighted in the audible range ( 20-20,000 hz). Waves and wind produce 85 db "C" weighted in the inaudable range ( below 20 hz). You hear a fridge due to the anatomy of your ear ( you can)and you don't hear wave infrasound for the same reason (you can't). A careful reading of the literature will clarify the differences between scales and magnitudes,
Dear Anonymous2:
Because you can't hear infrasoud below 85-110 db ( depending on frequency) you have no idea when it is present. You should also remember that if the wind wasn't blowing in Pugwash yesterday wind turbines would not be operating: they need wind to turn.
Reading the above mentioned reports will reveal that studies in Alberta and Ontario were more sucessful in separating wind produced infrasound from turbine produced infrasound. The results were similar to the Pubnico readings. Wind produced infrasound was measured at these two other sights.
John McManus
Mr.McManus
Why didn't you tell us this before?
Were you trying to deceive us?
At what level do the infrasound effects seen by the military experiences become "irrelevent or insignificant" as described in the the wind idustry supplied reports?
How does this affect us in the long term living next to 27 turbines?
The military try to knock you out quickly.
Could the 27 turbines knock you out slowly?
Thank you
The comparisons made recently about the prolonged effects of infrasound have been preposterous. This blog is nothing but a festering cyst of lies and misdirections. Comparing the sounds from a military weapon to that of a turbine are so outlandish that even the simplest of minds could see through your argument. Or should atleast! However the followers of this movement are so far gone into the world of fallacies that we can only hope that their contagion doesn't spread. Quit spreading the lies until you have direct and specific evidence linking: one - the machines themselves to producing a measurable level of infrasound and two - linking that infrasound to known health defects. You have nothing to stand on until you have this evidence. THE WORLD IS WAITING!
Mr.MacManus
Did the wind industry have their engineers measure the infrasound at other locations along the Atlantic coast away from the Pubnico windfarm as a guide to be able to tell how much greater the level is with the addition of the sound from the turbine generated hum?
Did they measure and use the instantaneous peak sound levels or use averages over seconds/minutes/hours?
The north shore is different from the southern Atlantic coast shore.
Has anyone measured the natural infrasound with a typical wind blowing where they are going to put the 27 turbines in Pugwash?
Why didn't they measure and mention the amplification of infrasound that can occur from the resonance of rooms/air spaces in a home.
thank you
Those of you concerned about how the low frequency infrasound from these large turbines could have an impact on your health and well-being if living too close to them should make the time to read this article.It comes up as # 7 out of 100,000 on my google search using the keywords "infrasound military"
High-Intensity Acoustics for Military Nonlethal Applications: A Lack of Useful Systems
They review 137 reseach articles/experiments/etc. from various un-classified sources.(these are all listed at the end of the 9 page article)
Their view as stated in the end is that high -intensity infrasound is not likely for use as a non-lethal weapon based somewhat on the problems of developing the sound generators that could be successfully/realistically deployed.
-However the effects/symptoms seen in some of these 137 references of high level /short duration test exposure are similar to those which Lisa has documented in her previous articles from people affected by lower level but longer duration exposure from some local "wind farms".
Information from some of the other google articles -
..."To many, evidence that such weapons have been under development for decades is provided by a United Nations draft agreement, drawn up in 1976, that prohibited the development of new weapons of mass destruction. Even at that time, infrasound was deemed deserving of special monitoring, owing to the fact that the progress made in the area of acoustics had made infrasonic weapons a viable and attractive possibility. "...
In a way a wind farm could be defined as illegal in that it has the charateristics of a non'lethal weapon with the potential to harm.A lawyer in a class action suit might make some grounds if this could be defined and viewed this way???
A recent press release in the Herald ( possibly in response to David's article) by Keith Towse of business development for Wind Prospect goes to great lengths to call the problem that of a "noise factor" and its
" annoyance" and tries to descredit the efforts of organized vocal opponents and the plight of Daniel D'Entrement -a "victom "travelling around telling his story.
The effect of infrasound on peoples health is not part of this release.(Nor has it found any relevence in the wind industry report on Pubnico which may have influenced government policy decisions??)
The concept that Nova Scotia could become a leader in wind energy development(some people could make some big money??)-is!
Maybe if the government would pay more attention to some of the miltary experience and less on the industry supplied reports this aspect of wind farms could find its place in preparing suitable development guidelines for the health of those having the bad luck of having one of these imposed on them by those in the pursuit of the greenback and some green votes.
You are still lost anonymous above^!
Why is it that you think that there could be a link between what the military had created to what was created by wind turbine manufacturers?
Where is the link? This is a weapon of war that you keep on hammering on about, whose affects are so far away from anything that could ever be caused by a swoosh swoosh. Your are riding along the lines of the insane by continuing to think that this link that you have created in your mind realistically exists. Try googling "nimbyism and its links to insanity?" next time.
Can we have a show of hands to see how many of you, the John McManus ilk, actually live in the Gulf Shore area? Certainly not John McManus himself. Anyone else??...?? Hello!....I thought not. It's a whole nuther kettle of fish when it's "Not in Your Back Yard" ain't it?
Face the fact people, Turbines are going in the Gulf Shore and thats it, you know and we know it(we=people that want clean energy). So get off your high horse and come to earth and realize that its going to happen. I can't beleive the things I read in here, you all know nothing about anything.
Mr.McManus
Why did you tell us the sound from the wind farm would only be as loud as our fridge when you knew they had measured almost twice as many dB's loud in Pubnico?
Is it preposterous for us to think you tried to deceive the people in Pugwash?
Mr.McManass
Why are these people telling us not to worry about turbine "whoosh-whosh" sound when you already told us they found infrasound almost twice as loud bD'S as our fridge at Pubnico?The military knows how to hurt you real bad with infrasound.Were they being deceptive with the people of Pugwash just like you?
or are they not very smart?Are they your friends?Do you know them personally?Are they preposturus?
Hoppy Thanksgiving
The turbines are coming to Pugwash. Charles Demond has made that perfectly clear. He doesn't care if NS Power wants to buy the power, he'll sell it to the Americans. Now what are we going to do about it?
My system went down for a couple of days and look at all the comments. They are all anonymous , so I won't differentiate.
Like most of the people who signed the petition, I don't live on the Gulf Shore road. My count says there are 13 residences within a km of the Irishtown site. 2 are Irvine houses and two are abandoned. There are a number of seasonal properties with varying occupation periods. The Golf course and Scotia Pines ( and Ann ) are farther away than even the wildest suggested setback.
Someone seems to think that my listing of 85 db C weighted and 45 dbA can be directly compared. No: A and C scales are completely different. I can hear my fridge at 45dbA. I can't hear the wind at 85dbC. By the way, sea waves have been measured at 40dbA in Sweden .
If you want infrasonic levels measured along the Gulf Shore, you can easily hire an acoustic consultant.
To the anonymous who thinks wind turbines are weapons of mass destruction, please don't
tell George W. Bush.
If you tell him that
thunder storms and waves produce infrasound , he may nuke Thor and Neptune indstead of Pugwash.
I don't understand how power could be sold to the Americans without NSPC's help. They own the transmission lines.
John McManus
I have a cottage near the proposed sight and I am sickened every time that I see those forms that you have passed around. It looks bad and is distatefull, but only because your proclamations are false. Now that I know the type of neighbours that I have I think i'll sell. But not because of the wind farm, because I have first hand experience living next to a wind farm for a period of about a year when I lived in Hamburg. It is not anything like what you proclaim on this blog. In fact the wind turbines that I lived near I believe were early model Vestas, which I think are the same name brand that will be here in pugwash. Either way back to why I would sell. I don't like to live in communities where people are mislead by the mob with false facts. I truly hope that this wind farm is successful as it would show that it is for the whole good and not just the one that will fight against eyesores, not ear sores!
Glad to hear you're moving out.I'm sure you'll be much happier back with the other hamburgers. Good luck trying to sell.
Ronald McDonald
We shouldn,t attach much importance to what Mr. McM anus posts here. He doesn't know any more about this issue than any others of us. He quotes chapter & verse what he's read the same as the opposers have done with what they've read. What makes his information any more (or less) factual than the Gulf Shore residents? Yet he goes on as if he's David Suzuki. He's just a person with a lot of time on his hands that needs to get out more, or get a job.
The information on the effects infrasound can have on your health is there for you to read.
It comes from the people who do know.
The comments made by people having experienced similar effects living near big infrasound generating "wind turbines" is evidence there is a risk to your health.
Mr.Manus and others who stand to make some money keep trying to deceive the un read/uneducated rather than factor this into the location equation.
McManus is only allowed to communicate "information " that has first been approved by AWP/C.Dumond, or material directly supplied by them. Nothing more.His is a one man puppet show with Charles Dumond's hands pulling the strings.
This goes to Ronald MacDonald, That was not a very nice thing to say. Its people like you that make this world stink sometimes. Next time you look in the mirror, think about what you said, you make me sick. How would you feel if someone had something terrible said about you or to you. I don't think you would feel to good being talked down in such a negitive matter.
The links you are trying to make between Mr. McManus and AWPC are completely unfounded. Everyone hear can take the time to call him, but noone does. Your comments advising that he is under Charles D.'s guidance are ridiculous and border on the insane. Just another factor of this blog that only helps the wind industry show how stupid this blog really is. Everytime you try and show fact we only go back to the borderline stupid that holds the line on what this blog is really about. By the way when I am retired I hope to never have to work and to have plenty of time on my hands!
So what is going on with this blog have you nothing more to say that is going to help your cause? Or are you meeting in your own private chat rooms, where you are insulated from the truth!
I think they're just tired of listening to foolishness from the likes of you.
Tired of hearing the truth no doubt!
where are all the wonderful comments?
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